Netflix & AI Slop, Saudi Liquidity Crunch, Clawdbot Reactions | Mark Gurman, Miles Brundage, Aidan Smith & Asher Spector, Alex Dhillon, Mitchell Angove, Gabriel Stengel, Sierra Peterson
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Kimmy, Kimi 2.5, and Chinese Model Landscape
Hosts and Tyler discuss Chinese open models, dataset provenance, and reverse-engineering of Western models.
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- (00:20) - Netflix & AI Slop
- (18:10) - Saudi Liquidity Crunch
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- (01:02:13) - Mark Gurman is a technology journalist and Apple analyst best known for his reporting on Apple’s products, strategy, and internal decision-making. He is the author of Bloomberg’s Power On newsletter, where he consistently breaks news on iPhone, Mac, Vision Pro, and Apple’s executive and product roadmap—often months or years ahead of official announcements.
- (01:55:41) - Miles Brundage, Executive Director of the AI Verification and Evaluation Research Institute (AVERI), discusses the critical need for independent auditing of AI systems to ensure their safety and security, drawing parallels to established practices in other industries. He outlines four key risk categories: unintended system behaviors, misuse of AI systems, emergent social phenomena, and traditional security issues, emphasizing the importance of rigorous third-party evaluations to address these challenges. Brundage also highlights AVERI's role as a nonprofit think tank dedicated to developing standards and fostering collaboration among stakeholders to build a robust AI auditing industry.
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- (02:31:08) - Aidan Smith & Asher Spector, co-founders of Flapping Airplanes, an AI lab focused on data efficiency, discusses their goal of training human-level intelligent models without consuming vast amounts of data. They emphasize the importance of creating data-efficient AI systems to facilitate easier integration into the economy and to address challenges in data-constrained fields like robotics and scientific discovery. Smith also highlights the lab's commitment to foundational research before commercialization, aiming to solve significant problems in AI data efficiency.
- (02:42:48) - Alex Dhillon, founder and CEO of Outtake, a cybersecurity startup, discusses the company's recent $40 million Series B funding led by ICONIQ, with participation from notable investors like Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and Palo Alto Networks CEO Nikesh Arora. He highlights Outtake's mission to combat the surge in AI-driven impersonation and fraud by providing a unified platform that enables enterprises and government agencies to detect, investigate, and disrupt identity-based threats across digital channels. Dhillon emphasizes the importance of reducing the return on investment for digital criminals by swiftly removing fake content, thereby maintaining high digital trust for institutions.
- (02:55:24) - Mitchell Angove, founder of Feanix, discusses how his company utilizes whole-genome sequencing and AI to help dairy farmers manage their cows more efficiently. By analyzing genetic and phenotypic data, Feanix's AI models predict a cow's life outcomes with about 90% accuracy, enabling farmers to make informed decisions on breeding and health management. Angove also mentions that Feanix has raised over $5 million in seed funding and is rapidly scaling, currently managing close to half a million cows.
- (03:01:26) - Gabriel Stengel, CEO and co-founder of Rogo, a generative AI platform for finance professionals, discusses the company's recent $75 million Series C funding led by Sequoia Capital. He explains how Rogo enhances productivity for investment bankers by automating tasks like building PowerPoints and benchmarking comps, allowing them to focus on interpersonal aspects such as negotiation and client relationships. Stengel also highlights the evolution of Rogo's capabilities over the past two years, noting significant improvements in model quality and integration into various financial workflows, including back-office operations.
- (03:12:26) - Sierra Peterson, co-founder of Voyager Ventures, an early-stage venture capital firm, discusses her extensive 21-year career in energy, including roles at the International Energy Agency and the Obama White House. She highlights Voyager's focus on investing in foundational technologies such as energy, transportation, materials production, and AI, emphasizing the firm's recent $275 million Fund II aimed at advancing these sectors. Peterson also addresses the rapid advancements in electrification and solar energy, underscoring their potential to drive global economic growth and resilience.
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