People who are eating a lot of red meat also maybe more likely to be doing other habits that are there, right? Is it just the absence of fiber that's been there or they're not actually the quality. And I think the other point that you bring up that's worth touching on is the char broiling of any foods, meats, vegetables. Anytime you make something look like coal and you get all that carbonization on the outside, we know that all those things are going to be carcinogenic.

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