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A mind-expanding conversation with Michael Pollan

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

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What Is the Consciousness of the Mind?

Ezra Kline: Michael Pauline's new book, Theory of Consciousness. He says consciousness is still a "black box" and that science hasn't penetrated the experience. psychedelics are an interesting tool to begin penetrating that mystery, he says. Ezra: What you're seeing is what you're predicting that you're seeing. But it's an imagined reality with a very good error correction machine.

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