How Do You Build Space for Productive Conversations?

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There is a fair critique to say tha puica cabinet is just like al white people. There's something unrepresentative about it, and probably shows ta people beting screwed in some kind of way. But let me be very clear, we are co creating these things with our partners, right? What we're not doing is going into an organization and trying to superimpose some kind of apparatus on them. And this is the ei nor were actually trying to co create ways to handle these difficult conversations,. Because, very much so. Some one might be experiencing something in the word place that's very harmful. But how do you address it without causing more harm? That's really what

Chloé Valdary is a writer and entrepreneur whose company, Theory of Enchantment, aims to offer a “human approach” to diversity and inclusion training.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Chloé Valdary discuss the flaws of the dominant paradigm in diversity, equity, and inclusion; why many of today’s interpersonal conflicts stem from a larger crisis of meaning; and how to engage in big debates about social issues without becoming a combatant in the culture war.

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