I had the pleasure of interacting with him at some point in the early 2000s, maybe 2010. And I found him to be pretty naive too, but especially when it came to brain science. He was thinking that this theory was like vindicated by neuroscience and then also weirdly that it had all this explanatory power. Can you use a theory like this to actually bring about change? Or are we always going to stumble over the fact that we're embedded in the thing that we're trying to transcend so that we can use it properly?

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