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EP 168 Nate Hagens on Collective Futures

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The Energy Return on Investment of Solar and Wind

The energy on energy return of even something like oil has fallen massively over time. I would say that just measuring the energy return of solar panels and wind turbines are probably 12 to one is a reasonable number. But if you want to measure the actual electricity that we get, you have to build in the cost for the backup and intermittents which drops them to around four to one in my research. That four to one could be boosted back up to six to one or seven to one. We're not optimizing for a livable future.

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