Key Topics
* [03:00] Ryan's background in offensive cybersecurity and defense contracting
* [04:30] The mindset and challenges of vulnerability research and hacking
* [09:15] How security researchers approach attacking embedded devices
* [13:45] Techniques for extracting and analyzing firmware
* [19:30] Security considerations for embedded developers
* [24:00] The importance of designing security from the beginning
* [28:45] Security challenges for small companies without dedicated security staff
* [33:20] Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) and other security measures
* [37:00] Emulation technology for testing embedded systems
* [45:30] Tulip Tree's approach to embedded system emulation and security testing
* [50:15] Resources for learning about cybersecurity and hacking
Notable Quotes
> "When you're on the vulnerability research side, you're trying to find a time when the software does something wrong. When it does something unexpected." — Ryan Torvik
> "Don't roll your own cryptography. Use a standard library for cryptography." — Ryan Torvik
> "We're seeing that the maintenance costs are what are getting people now. You're expected to maintain this device, but now you got to be able to actually update the device." — Ryan Torvik
> "It's so much more expensive to put security in after the fact if it's possible in the first place. Why is that even something that needs to be debated?" — Luca Ingianni
Resources Mentioned
[Tulip Tree Technology](tuliptreetech.com) - Ryan's company focused on embedded system security and emulation
* IDA Pro - Interactive disassembler for firmware analysis
* Binary Ninja - Interactive disassembler from Vector35
* Ghidra - NSA's open-source software reverse engineering tool
* Microcorruption - Beginner-friendly CTF challenge for learning embedded system hacking
* National Vulnerability Database - Public database of security vulnerabilities
Things to do
* Join the Agile Embedded Podcast Slack channel to connect with the hosts and other listeners
* Check out Tulip Tree Technology's website for their emulation tools and security services
* Try Microcorruption CTF challenges to learn about embedded system security vulnerabilities
* Consider security implications early in your design process rather than as an afterthought
* Use secure programming languages like Rust that help prevent common security issues
You can find Jeff at https://jeffgable.com.
You can find Luca at https://luca.engineer.
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