This week, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a case that argued a Christian therapist in Colorado was restricted from counseling clients with unwanted sexual attractions. Adèle Keim from Becket joins Russell and Clarissa to discuss whether this is conversion therapy or a free speech issue. Then, Michael Sobolik from the Hudson Institute stops by to talk about the new TikTok deal between the U.S. and China, and what that means for the security of Taiwan and Americans. Finally, CT’s Nicole Martin and Kate Shelnutt join us to discuss the Texas megachurch pastor Robert Morris convicted of sexually abusing children, and Donald Trump’s consideration of pardoning Jeffrey Epstein’s sidekick Ghislaine Maxwell.

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ABOUT THE GUESTS:

Adèle Keim is a senior legal counsel for Becket, a non-profit, public-interest legal and educational institute with a mission to protect the free expression of all faiths. Prior to working with Becket, Adèle was an associate in the appellate practice at Winston & Strawn in Washington, D.C, and she clerked for Hon. Edith Brown Clement on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans. Adèle has been featured on CNN, Fox News, Al Jazeera, EWTN, TheBlaze, and MSNBC.

Michael Sobolik is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He specializes in United States–China relations and great power competition with a focus on geopolitics, net assessments, and competitive strategies. He is the author of Countering China’s Great Game: A Strategy for American Dominance. His commentary has appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Bloomberg, Reuters, Foreign Policy, Wired, and The Free Press, among others. He has also appeared on Fox News, ABC, BBC, and other outlets.

Nicole Martin is Christianity Today’s chief operating officer. She is the author of several books including Nailing It: Why Successful Leadership Demands Suffering and Surrender and Made to Lead: Empowering Women for Ministry.

Kate Shellnutt is editorial director of news for Christianity Today, where she leads the magazine’s news team and reports and edits for online.

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The Bulletin is a twice-weekly politics and current events show from Christianity Today moderated by Clarissa Moll, with senior commentary from Russell Moore (Christianity Today’s editor in chief) and Mike Cosper (director, CT Media). Each week, the show explores current events and breaking news and shares a Christian perspective on issues that are shaping our world. We also offer special one-on-one conversations with writers, artists, and thought leaders whose impact on the world brings important significance to a Christian worldview, like Bono, Sharon McMahon, Harrison Scott Key, Frank Bruni, and more.

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