Some Darkness and Some Light
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Prison Reform in California
Ken: "I bought a small bird shaped thing that looks like it would be hanging like a Christmas ornament and I got it from my daughter who was conceived on the grounds of a prison" Nigel: "The whole time we were in Norway, we kept seeing these guys that we know from prison back in the US in this completely different context. We didn't know what time of day it was, you know." Ken: "California is talking about implementing a Norway model which I'm hopeful"
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