How can civil society overcome it? You know, there's two things. The blunt thing is we have to be a good roll models. We have to give good information. Even when people are in the grips of some terrible disinformation conspiracy theory, youe still got to treat him like a person and make them t to change their minds. Try to open yourself up to the mental space these other people have,. Why would anyone feel that way? Is it because they've been lied to? Is it?"

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