Vanessa Van Edwards once lost a dream TV deal over small talk. After 20 years of research, she knows how to turn small talk into real connection.

On this episode, Kwame Christian sits down with Vanessa Van Edwards, behavioral researcher, founder of Science of People and bestselling author of Captivate and Cues, to unpack her new book, Conversation: How to Connect with Anyone & Make Every Interaction Count. A self-described "recovering awkward person," Vanessa shares the science-backed conversation skills that changed her life, from escaping conversation dead ends to asking the questions that build deeper relationships.

If you've ever run out of things to say, overthought what to say next, or left a networking event feeling like you never really connected, this episode is for you.

In this episode, you'll learn:

- Why questions like "What do you do?" lead to conversation dead ends, and how to escape them

- The 3 levels of conversation: putting people at ease, connecting deeply and creating meaning

- The memoir question that sparks deeper conversations with the people who matter

- How your self-story (redemption vs. contamination frames) shapes how you listen and talk

- Why naming social cues calms your nerves, plus the body language that signals confidence

- Why talking for more than 40 seconds can turn a conversation into a monologue

- How to disagree respectfully and handle difficult conversations, even with family

- How to turn nerves into "good nerves" before a negotiation or presentation

- Constructive vs. deconstructive language: how to be authentically assertive

- How AI, voice notes and podcasts are weakening our conversation muscles

Recorded in partnership with The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law. Students from the school's new podcast, [STUDENT PODCAST NAME], join the conversation with questions on code switching, speaking a second language, fear in negotiations, toxic positivity and more.

Connect with Vanessa

Get Conversation by Vanessa Van Edwards: https://www.scienceofpeople.com/conversation/

Vanessa's website: https://www.scienceofpeople.com/conversation/

Connect with Kwame:

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