I Love Cards, Just in Time Rules

I love cards for sure, just in time rules. This is another great, great part of them. You mention you've used cards in most of your designs. Am, what sort of the first game where cards were really core to and talk a little bit about cards were operating about? So my first game, a city of remnants. I utilized a deldi. Each card would be represented by a character that they would have in their gang that they were building up. And they'd go ahead and be able to customize that by bringing other characters in, and be having unique abilities and utilizing every hand.