Historical mercenary examples and Wagner

In this episode, we dive deep into the stunning US military operation "Absolute Resolve" that captured Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro on January 3, 2026. We analyze the viral testimony from a Maduro loyalist security guard (shared by White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt), which describes overwhelming US tech: sudden radar blackout, massive drone swarms that retaliate only against shooters, a tiny team of ~20 elite soldiers dropped from just 8 helicopters, and a mysterious "intense sound wave" weapon causing nosebleeds, vomiting, and immobilization.We break down what's plausible (confirmed US capabilities like LRAD acoustic devices, microwave systems, jamming of Russian/Chinese radar like S-300 & JY-27), what's experimental, and why this feels like "Space Marines" vs. conventional forces. We also compare it to Israeli spycraft (e.g., pager ops), discuss future multipolar world dynamics (US vs. Israel as dominant powers?), and explore emerging warfare trends like autonomous drone swarms.This is scary, impressive, and potentially game-changing. What do you think — real next-level tech or exaggeration?Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we are gonna be doing an analysis of the US raid on Venezuela, what US’ military capabilities are, because we’ve done some on Israel’s military capabilities, which are, it may be maybe less impressive. We’ll talk about the two in comparison in a second.

And what the future of war is going to be like from this and the piece I’m gonna read, it’s scary. It’s scary. The, the first thing that you’re going to think when you hear this, and the first thing I saw when I heard this piece is, this is fake. This, this cannot be real. Where’s your source?

Right?

Simone Collins: So, oh, no, I immediately thought of the w was it Cuban? Embassy. Russian Embassy. Yeah. That was later

Malcolm Collins: proven fake. Oh,

Simone Collins: yeah, it was, but I

Malcolm Collins: still, okay. But th this is when I heard this, I thought, or at least I’m skeptical, like I’m not gonna present this on the show unless I dug into it. So I did a lot.

Of digging on this. Mm-hmm. To try to find where it came from to try to find, if it’s a credible source, to try to find if it’s plausible with what we [00:01:00] know, a raid within this location might be. Here’s what we do know and why I do think it’s plausible. Yeah. For two reasons. One is the secretary Carolyn Levitt.

This is Press Secretary tweeted this. Right. So if the White House Press Secretary is tweeting an account of what happened during the raid, and it is completely fictional and out of line, was she knows what happened during that raid. Yeah. At the very least, right? Like the people who approve this, that had to go to somebody for approval.

You don’t tweet about what happened during a raid. It a. May have, and this is what’s really interesting because after digging, digging, digging, the version of this that went viral is the version she shared. Okay. Oh, I eventually found the original leak.

Simone Collins: Oh, the person, the guard one of Maduro’s guards actually reporting his experience

Malcolm Collins: actually recording this.

Yeah. So it turns out this is plausible. It is likely real, and parts of it are left [00:02:00] out in the version that the White House tweeted that went viral in right-wing circles. And as such, my, my read of why did parts of it gets left out is though they’re the military capabilities they don’t want you to know about.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: The biggest part of it that was left out that I found really interesting is the guy notes that the drone swarm that was all of a sudden around them, out of nowhere. Yeah. That whenever anyone tried to shoot at it, it would shoot them, but otherwise it left people alone. And well, I didn’t read

Simone Collins: about that.

Ooh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Well,

Malcolm Collins: because that’s only in the Spanish. Interview. Right. You wouldn’t know. Didn’t know.

And this is actually a really clever way to design them from a military tactics perspective because it makes your opponent, you know, you might have a hundred men armed and ready or willing to shoot if you’re just shooting at everyone. You know, regardless, everyone has a motivation to shoot back, right?

Because they’re going to be shot if they don’t. But now if they see that only the people that are shooting are being shot back. They have a motivation to just like drop their [00:03:00] weapons and run. , I’d also note here that we learned from the, the deeper interview that there were two types of drones. One would immediately shoot back, and then the second type would, , sort of mark a person and then fly a drone to where they were later.

Malcolm Collins: So we doubt, we now know how it worked h how this led to people dying. And right, because

Simone Collins: the, the US government, if I recall correctly, reported around 80 people were killed in the extraction. A

Malcolm Collins: aura, from what I heard, no.

American. I heard 80 soldiers. And this, this transcript said a hundred. Yeah. Could there have been additional. Might a person have exaggerated. Yeah. The other thing that’s in the initial transcript that’s not in this transcript that she shared is he was talking about how he, and, and we’ll get into this more and other people in the groups that he’s familiar with are actually turning in their weapons because they’re so scared.

What I can say is that this person is actually a Venezuelan. This is not like made by, if it’s, if it’s [00:04:00] fake. Somebody in Venezuela made this fake, which seems like a very dangerous thing to do in a place like Venezuela, right? It seems much more likely that this is a real leak. And note this has been reported on by Fox News Times of Indi India, indie tv, New York Post, et cetera.

Okay? Mm-hmm. Although they, they also were unable to hard confirm it.

Just as a side note, the most unbelievable piece of this has since this story happened, been confirmed as true, , which basically means everything else is likely true. , Specifically there are a number of sites, , like futurism and CNN politics, which, , confirm that the Pentagon bought a device. , That is what’s linked to Havana Syndrome.

That has the capability to knock out people and cause them to basically fall over vomiting and, and pain. I.

Malcolm Collins: Alright, so. On the day of the operation, we didn’t hear anything coming. We were on guard, but [00:05:00] suddenly all of our radar systems shut down without any explanation. The next thing we saw were drones. A lot of drones flying over our position.

We didn’t know how to react.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Run for cover, obviously.

Malcolm Collins: Right. It said be terrified because we’re gonna go over where they got all these radio systems in a second. They came from, these are top of the line systems from China and Russia. Mm-hmm. Which are the two main people we may fight. So this is what it would be like to China if the US came.

Right? Like this is why places like China are. Taking dumps in their pants right now because this was Chinese equipment that was there functionally as a test, right? Like, and, and actually it’s specifically the radio equipment was Chinese equipment. So that’s, that’s chilling and we’ll talk about that actually the specific line, because we know the equipment that they were using that all went out.

Simone Collins: Oh, okay.

Malcolm Collins: They refer to it in the transcript when other people heard this in the interviewer. It’s not really an interviewer either. Two people having a [00:06:00] conversation on what looks like WhatsApp. Oh. So what happened next? How was the main attack after the drones appeared? Some helicopters arrived, but there were very few, I think barely ate helicopters.

From those helicopters, soldiers came down, but a very small number, maybe 20 men. But those men were technologically very advanced and they didn’t look like anything we’d fought against before. Face Marines. Yeah, basically. No, not face Marines. They got hundreds of people, Americans coming in with just like a few helicopters.

And our version of like war hammer space, Marines are dropping in, you know, God’s on the battlefield compared to what they’re going against here. But anyways. And the, and then the battle began. The person asked, and he goes, yes, but it was a massacre. We were hundreds, but we had no chance. They were shooting with such precision and speed.

It seemed like each soldier was firing 300 rounds per minute. We couldn’t do anything. And then he says, and your your own weapons, they [00:07:00] didn’t help. And the guard says, no, no help at all, because it wasn’t just the weapons. At one point they launched something, I don’t know how to describe it. It was like a very intense sound wave.

Suddenly I felt like my head was exploding from the inside. We all started bleeding from the nose. Some were vomiting, blood, we fell to the ground, unable to move. And then the person, that’s the part that I’d read and looked up. And your comrades we’re gonna go into what that could have been. Mm-hmm. Did they manage to resist?

And the guard says, no, not at all. Those 20 men without a single casualty killed hundreds of us. We had no way to compete with their technology with their weapons. I swear I’ve never seen anything like it. We couldn’t even stand up after that sonic weapon or whatever was. And the interviewer says, so do you think the rest of the region should think twice before confronting the Americans?

And the security guard goes without a doubt. I’m sending warning to anyone who thinks they can fight the United States. They have no idea what they’re capable of after what I saw. I never want to be on the other side of that again. They’re not to be messed with. And then the interviewer says, now that Trump has [00:08:00] said, Mexico is on the list, do you think the situation will change in Latin America?

And the security guard says, definitely Everyone is already talking about this. No one wants to go through what we just went through. Now everyone thinks twice what happened here is going to change a lot of things, not just in Venezuela, but throughout the region. Mm-hmm. So. If we’re we now wanna go into the plausibility of this, the technology that we know about, the technology that we don’t know about I have been very surprised that a lot of right-wingers are just covering this completely uncritically.

And if the other interview I find from the Venezuelan isn’t a mistranslation or an edited translation, it means that we’re getting another story of the account that’s just incredibly similar, but has a number of elements quite different. Mm-hmm. But not inconsistent with the story, which would imply that multiple people went through this.

And so this is what these people experienced. But I just wanna put yourself in these people’s shoes at this point. First, all of your. Radar and satellite equipment goes out.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: That you’re at every day. Then you see [00:09:00] a drone, well, hold on,

Simone Collins: Venezuela, that’s not, I mean, you know,

Malcolm Collins: that may happen more.

Yeah. Then you see a drone sworn fly by. Yeah. That’s with hundreds of drones. Anybody who shoots at them is immediately shot. You then see, yeah. A few helicopters come by, drop maybe 20 something guys. You move to engage them and all of a sudden everyone has fallen to the ground and is bleeding from their nose and you’re in incomparable pain.

They walk by likely just shooting anyone who resists. I doubt that they were shooting everyone given the relatively, you know, the like 40 to 80 casualties that’s being reported here. And although it could have been way more, you know, these, I put

Simone Collins: it in 80 to a hundred, like has been reported and I mean, come on.

I’m not gonna sit around and do a body count as they’re extracting Maduro. So of course it’s inaccurate.

Malcolm Collins: Who cares? And this, this explains how, how we were able to get this right. And I also love how different it is from the well if you look at our video of like using the page bomber attacks where we [00:10:00] do an analysis of how Israel put that together or they, no, the pager bombs, the pager thing was amazing.

Amazing. They just took out like all of Hezbollah on like two. Yeah, well they just

Simone Collins: planted incendiary devices. They’re major adversaries over a years’ long process. Well, but it was, was better than

Malcolm Collins: that. Then they, it’s camped out at like, they had recordings at all of the places where they could go to get new pagers.

After that, they monitored the hospitals after that, right? So everyone who was reacting to this, they were immediately able to trace them and all of their networks. So it was like deeper than just a, oh, and now we kill them with the pagers. Is anyone who is tied to this, who, who goes to the hospital rooms with an explosion?

You know, they were able to put people in place before all of this, right? Mm-hmm. Like, but what we did was such overwhelming power in a completely different way with Israel. It was like crafty, superhuman spy craft with America. It’s like. Over the [00:11:00] top. We don’t care about what we do at this point. And I think that that’s why they’re using all this technology here.

Like technology, super soldier craft. Mm-hmm. It’s, it’s a, it, the two factions are so different. That it would be fun to have them be different in a video game. Like if, if we were playing a video game actually a, a video game where you have like isometric forces, which I always like to play those games, you know, like the old, like command and conquer generals or something like that.

Where every faction is played entirely differently because they play entirely differently. Mm-hmm. That, that you’re seeing. Two entirely different factions in terms of their specializations here, which is really cool because we’ve talked about this with our fans on our fan chat, and I’ll do a separate video on it.

But I suspect that we will eventually enter a multipolar world where the two dominant powers that are left are the United States and Israel. Because Israel is obviously gonna be a dominant power in the future. If you look at their AI capabilities, if you look at their birth rate, if you look at who’s having those kids because they, they [00:12:00] do have a lot of like secular high tech people having those kids.

You look at their existing technological capabilities and you look at the collapse of Europe, the collapse of China, the collapse of Russia, the collapse of Latin America, the collapse of Africa, who else is on the table, but America and Israel, right? Like those are the two players that are left, and you very rarely have multipolar world without some degree of confrontation between them.

And I was talking about what does that conflict look like? And I don’t think it looks anything like con because like if you look at like what it looks like when we were fighting the Nazis versus fighting the communists in Russia, right? Like mm-hmm. The totally different. Games of what that looked like.

If you look at like the Spycraft world of fighting Russia versus fighting the ccp, it’s a completely different world, right? If you look at what it’s going to look like, if there’s conflict with Israel, that’s gonna be a completely different world. Mm-hmm. And frankly, I think a better world in the same way that I think that we were better off fighting.

The communist in Russia than we were fighting the Nazis. And I think that we were better off fighting the CCP than we were having a conflict with Russia. We’re gonna be better off with a, you know, a [00:13:00] Multipolar America, Israel world even if that does lead to conflict of interest than we are with a multipolar United States and CCP world.

Simone Collins: Oh, incontrovertibly, yes.

Malcolm Collins: But they’re gonna be a, a lot more competent in terms of spycraft than anyone else ‘cause they’ve already shown that. But anyway let’s go into this, like what do we know is real and what isn’t? So, an analyst was saying, okay, so the radar jamming we know is real. The first wave of drones we know is real sound directed energy.

We, weapons we know are real. The small number of rotary ring aircraft is not just real, but we know that they reported it. The small special ops team we know is real, but that’s what was reported. Yeah. The directed energy attack is the one like, do we know about this? Like, is this basically everything here checks out?

The only thing that doesn’t like that is like, do they have that technology yet? We’ll get to it more in a bit. Is the directed energy weapon attack? We totally do. I know we have this technology, we’ve had directed energy weapons for about, I wanna say two decades, at least at this point. Yes. Yes. The [00:14:00] idea that we wouldn’t deploy them in a situation like this is just like why?

Yeah. We also know about a laser weapon from the boat that we’ll get to in a second. Mm-hmm.

Now, for, from, from the systems that were shut down Russia provided their S 300 VM ground troop air missiles which is one of Russia’s most advanced aircraft platforms. China provided Venezuela with their JY 2 27 A Steals hunter radar system.

This is their top of the line platform, which they sell under the, both that it can allegedly track the US most advanced F 35 and f. 22 stealth fighters. This is what they were using. Every single one of those. And this is actually even more chilling than if we just took out Russia or we just took out China.

Mm-hmm. Because Russia alone wouldn’t have the top of the line China systems. China alone isn’t gonna have the top of the line Russian systems. Venezuela had the top of the line, both systems. And now people know

Simone Collins: they had what they could get.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no. We [00:15:00] literally know because these two countries bragged about giving them these systems in, in diplomatic like envoys, like we know the exact systems.

That’s why I was saying they have the JY 2278 stealth hunter radar system from China and the S 300 VM ground air. I know. I still think these are the

Simone Collins: equivalent of Russia, Russian, and Chinese hand-me-downs of old systems that they don’t use anymore and wouldn’t use and are getting rid of because they have something better.

Makes sense. Maybe

Malcolm Collins: they have something secret that’s better, but

Simone is right. They’re considered mid-tier and not top tier systems. I heard this wrong.

Malcolm Collins: but

Simone Collins: I would, I’m 98% sure that they have something better. I would not be

Malcolm Collins: surprised

Simone Collins: you wouldn’t give your best to Venezuela. No one’s giving their best if Venezuela isn’t giving their best to, well, you’ve gotta understand if they didn’t,

Malcolm Collins: how bad this makes them look on the public stage because they publicly said, we’re giving Venezuela our best.

Simone Collins: Well, of course they are because they’re, oh, I’m, no, but [00:16:00] what this means, they’re not

Malcolm Collins: one, they lose face, but two across Latin America, anybody who’s like, do I side with the US in this power struggle or do I side with the enemies of the United States is rethinking things right now. And that’s

Simone Collins: meaningful because China does have their sticky fingers all over Latin America.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And by the way, if you’re wondering, when I, when I talk about like the future where the CCP isn’t in power anymore and Russia is clearly collapsing, mean, look at their fertility rates combined with their war that they’re having right now. I’m not saying like this because I’m antagonistic to Israel or anything like that.

I’m just saying you, when you have two world powers they’re, they’re going to have conflicts, especially in the worlds of like spycraft and alliances and everything like that, right. Of like, that’s just the reality of the world, right? That’s, that’s not like because they’re bad. You if, if, if you are the two big daddy players on the world stage you know, you’re, you’re gonna have differences of opinions and those play out often through Spycraft as they [00:17:00] already are.

Yeah. If we manage to stay friends as two world powers, like, like a completely allied as two world powers that would be a very. I mean, I would hope for that, a very interesting world for the perspective of everyone else. Because what that means is that, that the world is basically completely under the thumb of one world power potentially more so than it was under the thumb of America after World War ii.

Like that is just complete world domination at that point.

Simone Collins: I, I still don’t, I don’t see that as the most likely outcome. I see. The United States concentrating power in the Americas and really shoring up the American, like the Americas, north America and South America and Central America as just a region that is it’s safe zone and not, not harboring hostile entities.

And basically really focusing on shutting down any hostile activity [00:18:00] within that region. But then kind of just letting Europe and China and Russia slide into obsolescence slowly while having links, having squabbles among, among themselves while they undergo both forced AI obsolescence and demographic collapse.

At the same time, with China only remaining, we’re maintaining some form of strategic advantage for longer than the other countries because it is investing so heavily in ai, in innovation. The EU has demographic apps and it’s stifling AI and innovation, so it’s gonna go first. Russia’s screwed. We all know that.

I, I, I’m not even considering them a contender. But, and India. Is seeing massive fertility drops, and I think they’re just not there technologically to be a major contender. So really what we’re gonna end up with is, is China kind of trying to throw around its weight, but ultimately not having what it needs.

Possibly though, [00:19:00] possibly though doing interesting things. Who knows?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But to continue here with these systems of what could have been described here there’s the long range acoustic device, LRAD. Yeah. The LRAD is a commercially available acoustic hailing device used by the US military, Navy, and police forces, and a mixed focus hides in city sound waves up to 162 decibels and a narrow beam like a sound cannon.

Mm-hmm. This doesn’t seem to be what he described, but it could be what he described. I mean, he described it as like a, a boom in his head. Right. Well there are all

Simone Collins: sorts of wave emitting devices that could do all sorts of things like with homeschooling Octavian and I went this whole, through this whole thing about various wavelengths and spectrum.

Because you wanted to know how the microwave worked, and that led down this whole rabbit hole. And we learned about like the varying degrees of how different types of wavelengths can affect the human body or liquids or different forms of matter. It it, it’s just super self-evident that, you know, you could get to the right kind of wavelength and strength [00:20:00] that could make, that could cause heavy internal bleeding, which is what happened here.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So what this would cause if it was used on people is intense pain and pressure in the heads slash ears.

Simone Collins: Yep.

Malcolm Collins: And a whistle or, or, or sound wave disorientation, nausea and immobilization. Victims often describe it as an unbearable noise causing them to drop and cover their ears. In extreme cases, it could lead to nose bleeding barrow trauma where pressure damages blood vessels in the sinuses and eardrums or vomiting from vestibular disruption.

Basically it’s, it disrupting their inner ear and it’s causing vomiting. So this could explain why he saw everyone start vomiting and fall over. But no, no, I’m, I’m, I’m just noting here, like, we know this has been used by ground forces in Iraq, on Somali pirates and stuff like that during protests like this is, this is an old school system at this point, right?

But it doesn’t, Hey, I wonder why

Simone Collins: it’s not used more

Malcolm Collins: unless it was a more advanced system or used at, at a higher level. Which of course I don’t see why we shouldn’t expect it to be. Yeah. Like it could cause these symptoms. [00:21:00] It doesn’t often cause blood and vomiting. But it seemed like they didn’t care about doing long-term damage and the way that they use it at this point and more, normally this is used against protesters and stuff like that as a nonviolent system.

Mm-hmm. But this time they basically rejiggered what could have been this old non, we’ll talk about what else? It could be an old nonviolent system for violent action. Mm-hmm. When they do not hear if people survive. Mm-hmm. And that’s a very interesting use of this system. Mm-hmm. Is to be like, okay, let’s just knock everyone out in this region, then move over.

Interesting way to think about it. ‘cause normally when you think about a system that doesn’t kill people, you’re like, why would I use that when I have bullets? Right? Yeah. And it’s like, well, because it can flood an entire room, right? Yeah. And you can just go through and tap everyone, right? Mm-hmm. Okay, so the next one here, it could have been a direct microwave energy weapon called an a DS or an Active Denial System. This is called a heat ray in US military. It’s a non leal weapon that projects a millimeter wave 95. Give the hurts or whatever heat rate to the skin surface, creating an intense burning sensation without penetration.

And [00:22:00] it’s a vehicle or aircraft mountain, it would’ve felt like heat, pain, disorientation and immobilization skin feels like it’s on fire. It can cause nausea and, and vomiting. But it sounds less like the descriptions. No. Yeah,

Simone Collins: because he describes this high pitched,

Malcolm Collins: and it’s been used since the 2000, so again, like 25 years this has been used.

Mm-hmm. Another thing that this could have been is a low frequency acoustic weapon. These are sub audible frequencies below 20 hertz that resonate within body organs. It, it creates an internal exploding sensation, nausea and vomiting blood. That’s what this

Simone Collins: sounds like. That’s what I thought it was

Malcolm Collins: immobilization resonance within lungs, stomach, and the brain, which he mentioned.

Yeah. Yeah. Brain from the, the nose in ears pressure from sinuses, it was, sounds incredibly unpleasant. Explored by UA and Russian militaries. And it, it’s been explored back to World War II as sound cannons. However, I don’t know if we’re aware of this ever actually being deployed before.

So this would be a new technology of this, what it was deployed. And then [00:23:00] finally, other direct energy weapons could be a high powered microwave or a pulse energy projection. But these, these follow the pain threshold yet. So, if I was gonna guess what it is gonna say is it’s a novel application of LRAD which are usually used more for like protesters and more like when you care if the person lives.

Whereas this was not used in that capacity. This was just let’s, let’s have this happen. Let’s talk about the laser on the boat that people were talking about. Yeah, what I hadn’t heard about this. Interesting. So, the, the high energy laser, it was integrated optical dazzler and surveillance.

Helios is a 60 K laser on a destroyer, like A-U-S-S-S per parabola used for droner missile defense or dazzling sensors. It’s silent, precise, and could shoot a fire at targets like boats. And then we’re also familiar with the laser weapon system, the LAWS or laws. It’s an older system that was tested on the USS punts now evolved into Helios.

[00:24:00] So, yeah, we’ve got this as well. And there have been reports of this being fired. Now I wanna go into the direct translation of the report that I found that, that I pulled from the original videos. Spanish. It’s true. They’re going to do all that. What else is left? We don’t have an option anymore. They have more technology, much more armament. We are not prepared here today. People were returning the rifles that they were voluntarily delivered. These are basically rifles that, like paramilitary groups were given by the Venezuela government, which again, is something you probably wouldn’t know about if you aren’t in one of these groups.

This again, doesn’t sound like a hoax. It sounds like somebody in one of these groups talking about this. He said, people want nothing. People don’t wanna fight. It was pretty bad what happened in Caracas. We were neutralized all of our strengths. They turned off the whole electrical system. They took down all of our radars.

People were very afraid. When someone shot them, a drone immediately detected it and died or killed everyone. In January 23rd, there was one hit that got hit by a guapo. [00:25:00] He fired his gun at him. The drone came back for some time to shoot another bomb and then flew halfway around. There are many dead. A lot of people burned and injured, approximately a hundred deaths.

Okay, so this is interesting ‘cause here we’re getting a better understanding of how these drones worked. It appeared, the drones operated in two ways. They could either hear when you fired and then immediately return to fire where the. Shots were coming from, but then there appeared to be a separate class of drones that would track who had fired for a while if they weren’t taken down by the first class of drones.

Then come at them with bombs and attempt to bomb them later, right? Like so they were being tracked by AI after shooting. Keep in mind our video, where we talk about the US right now, planning to have done by the end of the year an autonomous. Manufacturing ship for autonomous drones. So a ship that endlessly manufactures autonomous gun drones and bomb drones like this.

This is what they’re like when you, it really [00:26:00] does feel like a random, like 21st century human tech planet was attacked by fricking Ironman. Like a, a swarm of Ironman or yeah, just Space Marines. Just space Marines. And they just, space Marines leave demoralized. Like it’s not even worth it anymore. Like they were so far ahead of us.

It was comical. Now you can ask why, why we don’t use this stuff everywhere. Frankly, because I think that two things happen. One is, is this was an especially carried out by basically the presidential administration. Like they needed this to go right. This likely had very high level security looking at it very, very closely.

And second, it was done by Trump’s team who one has a bunch of tech nerds on it as people know. And two has the type of people who like trying experimental technology. Like the, so I, I bet in the past, if you’re in Obama administration or something like that. You, you say, Hey, we’ve got this experimental thing [00:27:00] that we might be able to use to like paralyze a large crowd.

It’s never been used publicly before. It could cause long-term damage to people. Like, and we risk having it captured if we put it into use. You know, these are a bunch of old, you know, white guy, let’s be honest, or DEI hires that have played it safe at literally every step of their life. And they get that and they say, well then let’s not approve that use.

Right. You know, you’re doing the Osama raid or something like that. You put this to the Trump administration, like, we’ve done consulting for the Trump administration. We’ve gone to their White House. I know who their people are. They’re young people. They’re, they’re like our community. They, they didn’t staff it with a bunch of like Washington insiders, right?

These people are like a bunch of people who grew up or, or love playing like video games where they have like the most advanced weapons and everything and you ask them this stuff and they’re like, oh yeah man, and make sure you film it. Like, I’m gonna be masturbating to this tonight, like, make sure I can take this home on USB.

Right? Like, I, I wanna, I wanna see them all fall and [00:28:00] squirm. Right?

Simone Collins: I did appreciate Trump talking about how it was like watching it as a TV show or something. And Mar-a-Lago. Very entertaining.

Malcolm Collins: So then he says Venezuela has never trained us against a drone. We don’t have drones. No technology.

The speeds of those helicopters. Never, we’ve never seen a helicopter with that much speed, unless some of our houses here was out roofed, left fallen trees. Oh, this must be a separate account actually, but it’s so similar to the other account. I’m just left believing that the other account is accurate.

Mm-hmm. He said a helicopter that was going at one speed never seen, not even us. We have had a helicopter of that here. It’s too far away, although I tell you honestly, well, the tights really, they’re too much, too power. And there were only eight helicopters. Imagine if they sent 200 helicopters, the 3000 airplanes, they just sent eight helicopters, destroyed All of Caracas, destroyed all the military base.

They disarmed the missile base. There were eight helicopters. Imagine [00:29:00] if they had sent thousands of helicopters that they have them. Well, friends, meanwhile it says comment spread, et cetera. But the point here being is what’s interesting about this, and this is why I think that this is a separate but collaborating encounter, is he didn’t talk about the directed energy weapons.

His, his, his answer seems the same in every other. All our radar shut down then a drone swarm then 20 helicopters was very few men. And we had no effing clue what was going on. But this has more on what it was like to fight the drones. My guess is that this is somebody who was stationed further away from Maduro, and the other one was somebody who was stationed closer to Maduro.

Well, yeah, my,

Simone Collins: my impression is that the directed what long range acoustic devices were used when on people who were going to be passed by, by the, the troops to extracted Maduro. So if they were close Maduro and on the ground, and troops were about to pass by you, you were gonna be subject to that.

Whereas on the ground. [00:30:00] Far away. Yeah. To,

Malcolm Collins: to, to be more aware of how these systems work. And what this basically means is happening here is they, they use high energy waves or high sound waves. And that means that they’re not gonna be able to pass through solid objects very easily. So they were likely mounted on the helicopters themselves.

This is my guess as to what was happening. Mm. And there was a team that was controlling them from the helicopters and aiming them from the helicopters so that they could be fired from above to neutralize outdoor targets. Because remember, Maduro did not mention something like this, but he was captured while he was indoors.

So I do not think that, for example, they had a team member. Was this like following behind them or a tank was this following behind them? I think they had people drop and then from above they’re basically painting any of the groups of resistance they still see. Was this before this, the first thing they send in is these drone swarms that appeared to be in two types.

One reactively fires at anything that fires at it. Which is a really smart way to handle this, right? So you don’t have unnecessary [00:31:00] casualties. And the other is, remember, anybody who fires back, track them, bomb them. Mm-hmm. Which again, like anyone who’s used modern AI knows we can do this. Like you could easily put this on a drop.

Well, so

Simone Collins: I looked this up. When I first read about this, I, my, my primary interest was can I buy one and can I defend myself from one? And, and unfortunately, please chime into the comments or to email us if you could find one. I was directed to a company called Genesis, G-E-N-A-S-Y-S, that does sell LAD equipment, but on their website.

And maybe that you just gotta call them and prove that you have a lot of money and then they direct you to the cool stuff like, you know, on the top shelf. But most of their online marketing. Revolves around basically on the ground, emergency based directed communication enabling you to, [00:32:00] you know, coordinate and communicate in active shooter situations.

So your

Malcolm Collins: first thought when you heard this isn’t, oh, the US military is awesome, which is what every guy is thinking. Your first thought when you read this is, how do I get that myself? Obviously, how do I fight against that? How do I form an autonomous military and go take over some African country?

That’s your first thought.

Simone Collins: Well, yes, I love your agency. That wasn’t

Malcolm Collins: an ounce of your agency ‘cause that’s so cool.

Simone Collins: Well, I hope that anyone who knows where we can get our hands on this will reach out to us. And. I am, I am also curious to know like what materials are necessary to shield against this.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, this is a thing that really annoys me, right?

Yeah. There’s so many famous people on the writer or whatever, you know, you’re your Tim Cooks or your Asma Golds or your, you know, Tim Pool. Sorry, I mean Tim Pool. It’s Tim Cook. And, and you know, they make a lot of money from all of this streaming and everything like that. [00:33:00] And they never effing do anything.

Ain’t interesting with it. Like Charlie Kirk, whatever. They, they put together like right wing conferences, they a lot of guns. Whatcha talking about? No, they buy their own guns. You know what we’d be doing if we had, I had asthma, gold money, you know what I’d be doing? I would be funding revolutions, right?

Like I would be, no, I I think, I think you can do this stuff now, right? Like you can put together your own force with these types of capabilities. And, and, and go out and handle stuff in, no, maybe

Simone Collins: we can still have my, my dream of. Private prisons, but make it an island where they’re paid mercenaries.

Like, you know, we, we have an opt-in program for prisoners who instead of being stuck in a prison, choose to be paid militia or like, sorry, mercenaries that can be hired. I think that that would, but this

Malcolm Collins: is what I would’ve done

Simone Collins: actually,

Malcolm Collins: the moment I heard about the $50 million bounty on Maduro.

I was like, that is a great investment opportunity.

Simone Collins: [00:34:00] Right.

Malcolm Collins: You invest in a private military force. You go in, you take him out, you then, well, it’s kind of embarrassing

Simone Collins: because at first I, I just was so swept up in the narrative where I was like, oh yeah, like Trump was joking about saving 50 million and then.

Someone in our family pointed out to me like you, Simone, you know that the, like this costs us government tons more than that to execute this operation. And especially after hearing about all the shiny toys they wheeled out for this.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no, but you, what you’re not considering is all the, they’ve already paid for it.

They got, they got to test in a live situation. That’s true.

Simone Collins: That’s true. There’s, there is value in that. And we’ve already paid the subscription as it were. Like we had the weapons already. So like what is the marginal cost? I’m pretty sure the marginal cost of executing this was more than 50 million. But anyway, I do like the idea of there being this rich infrastructure of bounty based actions and there’s historical precedent for this.

I mean, this is what, what was that [00:35:00] elite military force in Italy that was often used as a mercenary?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Oh, by the way, people do not know this about us when we talk about. Like starting private military organizations and everything like that. Mm-hmm. There was actually a time in my life when I was looking to partner with somebody who had a lot of expertise in this and actually start a, a a a mercenary company.

Right. Like a a black ops, sort of mercenary type group. Oh.

Simone Collins: Was this the, this happened a couple of times. Was this the, like 20, 22 time?

Malcolm Collins: Oh yeah. There was two different times in my life when I almost did this. One of the guys, the third

Simone Collins: time’s a charm, Malcolm, don’t give up.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Yeah. The first time I did this, it was with somebody who worked in counter-terrorism a lot and worked with the, the Russian government and the Georgian government in in counter-terrorism stuff.

So they had a lot of connections in this field. And they went on to be. Extremely. Like they ended up going into a different field from this. But they were, they would’ve been successful lately. Like, this person is easily worth over a hundred million dollars at this point. Mm-hmm. And when I was talking [00:36:00] to them we both were not long out of college at that point, so like we probably could have put something together.

Like they, they had all the connections to do it. The second time I was looking at doing it the guy ran a private security company. That’s the what I was thinking, security details for celebrities. Mm-hmm. And he ran a like a black site that was all run on like crypto and everything like that.

So like you couldn’t trace it or anything. And the token, here’s what I think the problem is. I think this is why hiring mercenaries anonymously.

Simone Collins: And the problem is with Maduro in that bounty is there just aren’t enough bounties out there. Like if, if the same amount of, I guess. It’s not even about, it’s more like pr like remember when CAP and Trade was like, oh, that’s the solution to climate change.

We just need some kind of carbon exchange cap and trade system. If, if instead it was just kind of normalized that you put out bounties for military or security risks to your country, then there would [00:37:00] be a sufficient marketplace to justify investment in the creation of companies that did this much more efficiently.

You know, a market driven security economy and infrastructure

Malcolm Collins: and Right. But that already exists to an extent, Simone. How the f first, the United States already does offer bounties and on top of that, yeah,

Simone Collins: but that, that’s clearly it’s not enough. Well, you don’t have a rich defense companies. It’s, it’s not

Malcolm Collins: enough.

Okay, so hold on. We have to take a few steps back because like, you, you, so the, there are groups, there are mercenary groups that make full-time tons of money off of this. They do. The one that you know best is the one from Russia, that what’s his face fell out of? A helicopter guy used to run fell out of a helicopter guy.

Wait, wait, who? The guy who tried to do a co coup on Putin , the Wagner group.

Yeah, the Wagner group. Did he die of window

Simone Collins: cancer or is he like alive now still?

Malcolm Collins: And it was, it no, he fell out of a helicopter

Sorry, I, I got [00:38:00] this one wrong. He didn’t fall out of a helicopter. His plane crashed because, , and, and when asked the reason why it appears that accidentally hand grenades detonated inside the plane crash, , Putin suggested from the postmortem that he may have been on drugs, and that is why he brought hand grenades onto his airplane and they went off mid-flight.

That that explains it.

Simone Collins: ley. Oh, window cancer. Okay. Okay, gotcha.

Malcolm Collins: He just wasn’t buckled in, don’t you? Oops. Oops.

Simone Collins: Oops. Okay. I didn’t, I I didn’t know what happened to him. I didn’t follow that plot.

Malcolm Collins: Sorry. The point being is Russia has one of these already. So if you’re asking why the number one, one in the world right now did not take the bounty from the United States, I’m pretty sure it’s ‘cause they thought the US wasn’t gonna pay. The Russian paramilitary organization was links to the Russian state for taking out Maduro.

Or you think there was a conflict of interest. And even if didn’t [00:39:00] take out Maduro, they’d now have a problem because they’re linked to the Russian state and that’s not in the Russian State’s best interest. So yeah, that’s

Simone Collins: be well, but again, like what? You can only think of one.

Malcolm Collins: No, hold on, hold on. There are other ones.

Alright. The problem is that the other ones work on contracts for the United States government already. Yeah. And make basically infinite money from the US government already. Well, but

Simone Collins: see, that’s not, that is not a rich economy. That is a a, a stupid RFP based. I, I understand.

Malcolm Collins: The problem here, Simone, is that the existing organizations like this.

I reme, I wrote the effing business plan. ‘cause I would, I love that people, when they make conspiracy theories about us, they, they are so, like, it’s always not true stuff. And the true stuff no one talks about it’s exactly, it’s, it’s actually so much worse that I like had a business plan at one point for putting one of these together.

So

Simone Collins: you, you like literally have an antagonistic guardian journalist over and you give her your governance playbook for a city state where we do a, [00:40:00] a deeply by their view unethical medical experimentation and only give citizenship to people based on how much money they contribute. And don’t allow any poor or weak people in.

And, and, and she covers it and no one talks about it, but all the vampires and suddenly everyone

Malcolm Collins: knows, I wish a billion times, I wish that was you know, what was, what was covered about no, they don’t cover our weird ideas for, and we were actually in talks with a foreign government about setting that up as an autonomous state.

Like. I love it. People are like, what about all these crazy projects that never end up at fruition? Our crazy project for a totally automated school works now and is awesome. It’s the best schooling platform I’ve seen pia.io our basically turning like a, a siv tech tree into like an entire educational infrastructure.

We did that. We built that, and then we built,

Simone Collins: well, I’m combining that now with our son, with reality fabricator. He was talking with the Emperor Octavian today about his childhood and life. That

Malcolm Collins: system that we have with reality fabricator reality Faab, our [00:41:00] fab.ai. Is is it started poor, like it takes us a while to get good.

Our school system started bad and then after like a year and a half of bug fixing and working, we’ve been working on this for what, like four months at this point. And now it’s pretty solid at this point. Right. And now our backend fully autonomous AI agents that can do things like make phone calls and send emails that’s not working on the backend.

But I don’t wanna make a mistake like I did with our fab, we release it to the public before it’s totally stable. So we’re being like way more edgy about releasing that. But like that’s a cool project that I don’t see anyone else offering to the general public is fully autonomous AI that can code use GitHub.

Make phone calls, send emails, have their own

Simone Collins: rich inner life, independent,

Malcolm Collins: evolving personalities. Yeah. Our audio feature for our FAB AI allows you to use any top of the line AI with any prompt system you want with audio, which I have seen no one else do. They all use a separate audio system. That means the AI you’re dealing with is much dumber.

So this is like the [00:42:00] smartest wiz audio AI you can use on the market. So, cool. Like, I, like I actually do, do things sometimes when I don’t move ahead with something, it’s because I’m like, oh, this is probably not worth it given the risk involved or given the investment we need to do this or given the, you know, or we don’t raise money for it or we don’t like that happened with the, the like city state thing we were trying to do.

We just didn’t raise money. Yeah. And I mean,

Simone Collins: like, there, there are extremely well connected and well-funded city, state people who have received, I think at this point, tens of millions of dollars who still can’t find a home. You know, like just, just because. You know, we, we drop things when they are genuinely to, to be successful with a project, especially if it’s a, a bit of a moonshot.

You, you can’t just have a good idea and you can’t just have a great network and you can’t just have initial funding. You also have to have the right timing. Timing is everything. Like first you had Webvan and, and then you had and what like the original like pets website or something? Well,

Malcolm Collins: Webvan, the reason she mentioned this is that if you’re young, this is like [00:43:00] DoorDash before DoorDash.

Now DoorDash is huge, but Webvan went bankrupt and lost everyone who’ve invested in it. Tons of, tons of money. Yeah. Like

Simone Collins: the.com boom. Show that you have to come on the market at the right time. And so, yeah, I mean you can have a great idea, but it’s just not time for you like your dad did like invested, I think, or created a company that did customized kid books.

Well now they’re pervasive and there are

Malcolm Collins: lots of little, yeah, he lost some money on it. And he also started the fir one of the first major chains of cell phone stores when cell phones first became prevalent. He ended up selling it and it didn’t make a ton of money. He, he, I mean, they had like 45 locations or something.

But it, it basically, he was just too early to the market on that. Now Carone Warehouse became like a huge thing in the u uk, right? Like now people be, they call them car phones, why would you have a show something just for cell phones? And he was like, well, I think that this is gonna be a market one day.

But you can get to the point being market opportunity. I saw as a market opportunity, you’re pointing out, which is most players in the private mercenary scene right now are either [00:44:00] working with actors that have active antagonistic interests with many geopolitical players. Yeah. Eeg, they’re tied to Russia or they’re tied to North Korea, or they’re tied to, and that just limits the types of contracts they can take.

Or they are, they work directly as like PE owned companies working with the American military and don’t wanna do anything Interesting. Yeah. They’re too loaded

Simone Collins: and yeah, they’re, they’re, they’re very conservative. They’re not gonna take over

Malcolm Collins: a. Or they’re not gonna, you know, like, like, like Wagner does, they’re not gonna do stuff like try to stabilize or like create new states.

I was like, what if you created like a, a, a a good aligned one right? That is at least aligned with the best interest of people in a region but was also willing to do sort of radical reconstruction of regions and stuff like that. Hmm. And with the

Simone Collins: rise of AI and also the, the playing out of demographic collapse, you’re gonna get this combination of governments no longer being able to sustain any level of military.

And. Small groups [00:45:00] of people who are able to do outsized things. I

Malcolm Collins: mean, I actually think that this is a great opportunity is automated, like gun, drone, swarm, mercenary groups.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You could do incredible stuff if you deploy this technology. And it’s not that complicated to do, right? Like the AI systems for tracking stuff are not that hard to put together.

They already exist, right? Like drones already exist, guns already exist. And you’re like, well, you need to be able to stabilize the gun once it’s on the drone or the bomb once it’s on the drone. And I’m like, not really. Keep in mind you’re not going up against like Russian groups or anything like that, right?

Like a drones don’t cost that much if the drone blows up to take out a target. And you’re dealing with like a $50 million potential reward or something like that you don’t really care. Like if the drone is destabilized by the gun shooting it and it falls out of the sky, you don’t really care, right?

Like, so with a lot of this stuff, it’s just about, you know, precision fire.

Simone Collins: Well, and the, the, the, the [00:46:00] giants on who, whose shoulders we can stand now are, are numerous. And we, we’ve learned so much. For example, just from Palestine attacking Israel, the Iron Dome, right? Like it cost Israel so much to defend itself and it costs Palestine so little to send over all these rockets.

And, and a lot of it’s just kind of, you can financially roll people down. Also, Ukraine has done so much innovation in not only inexpensive drone creation, but the creation of drones and other tech that can survive in frozen tundra. Because an issue is that many electronics just don’t work well, the shahe is that frozen and cold?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. The shahi, the, the, the Iranian drones I still think are the best in terms of super dumb ones, but they don’t really have targeting systems on them. The Shahe one or whatever it’s called.

Simone Collins: Well, that’s the difference between a rocket and a missile, right?

Malcolm Collins: Right. Well, no, there’s, they’re slightly they’re slightly smart.

The, the thing being is that you, you basically get two systems you can optimize around now, which is the, like, we’re just gonna [00:47:00] go in and kill as many people as possible, which is like what Russia attempts to do. And, and then with Ukraine, it’s like, let’s be smart and fight against somebody who’s just trying to come in and kill as many people as possible.

But that’s really different than a targeted strike. Like if the Ukraine wanted to go in and try to do more, which they’ve been doing more of recently, like deep into Russia surgical strikes, I think that that’s where you have a sort of a dimorphic advantage for the, like, high tech players. We, we as a US just won’t give them the technology they use.

Simone Collins: To implement

Malcolm Collins: that, but we in the US can also build some of these other, other systems to deploy in specific areas. By the way, if you’re wondering why, if you’re like, well, if it’s so easy to put something like this together, then why doesn’t the Ukraine do it? Specifically with the Ukraine, it has to do with two factors.

One is it that they have an opponent who’s actively defending against this if you’re attacking an African dictator or something like that, like they’re not gonna be able to actively defend against this as easily as a Russian troop is going to be able to. Yeah. So, you know, they, they don’t have the active anti drone defenses that they, that they [00:48:00] have.

The, the second thing. Is that they have to care about expenses more than you would have to like to the Ukraine, it would matter if every time a drone fired, they lost that drone. It does not matter to you a mercenary org that’s taking lucrative contracts that you lose a drone every time it fires.

Yeah, they’re in an attrition conflict right now, so. Well, I guess,

Simone Collins: yeah. The, the, the, the problem with the bounty system and, and why we see a huge RFP based mercenary system and not a bounty based system is it is fairly capital intensive to maintain. Mercenaries and, and the equipment, the equipment’s not cheap.

So I guess that’s, well,

Malcolm Collins: the, the the guy I was gonna do it with before already had the whole, like he already had people Yeah. They were there. He had contract.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Like, or ad hoc access to people who he could employ for projects.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So with him it was just like, he already has people who he’ll employ for projects.

The other, other, so

Simone Collins: see, this is why we need my city state comprised [00:49:00] of willing and opt-in. Inmates from private prisons.

Malcolm Collins: But, but the other time we were gonna do this the way we got around that problem is we were just going to use foreign governments where we had connections. Because a lot of governments are looking for ways to make money.

And so you can use their existing military forces they have to, to work with you on operations like this. If you, if you’ve got the upfront capital, because not everyone is let’s say the, the militaries aren’t all as professionalized. They don’t all have as strict of like internal government regulations as United States.

But anyway, lots of, lots of interesting opportunities out there is all I’m saying. Right. You know? Absolutely. Yeah. And, and here people saying Malcolm’s a vampire. So boring. Right? I

Simone Collins: know. It’s so old school. It’s so old school. I,

Malcolm Collins: I, I, that is, we need to make that base camp lore forever. Malcolm might be a vampire.

Definitely runs the Illuminati. No. See,

Simone Collins: the problem is that [00:50:00] there’s, there’s a, a plausible like documentation to the Illuminati. So like, no one will believe that because that’s actually, like, there’s credence to it, whereas like the vampire thing comes out of nowhere. So that’s of course the one that people are gonna take and run with.

So it’s, you’re just stuck as being a vampire.

Malcolm Collins: My, the rest of my family had a crash out about that Joe Rogan, because, you know, they’re talking about the Collins family, right? Yeah. They’re like,

Simone Collins: this is just great. You are, you are such a liability to your family. You’re like, Malcolm,

Malcolm Collins: this is the number one podcast in the world.

How did you do this? How did you get them saying these things about our family? What have you done that is like, by the way, very well known for like charity activity and everything like that. I know they’re trying to

Simone Collins: be like the Kennedys, but, but make it Texan. And and they, they don’t want association with weirdos.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. They don’t, they don’t want everyone, they don’t want

Simone Collins: to be vampires. They no, that,

Malcolm Collins: that’s actually not even true. They will do every secret society they can get their hands on, right? Like [00:51:00] they, well, if, if it’s waspy enough, yeah. And if it’s waspy enough, if it’s old boys, if

Simone Collins: it’s, it’s, if it’s on a golf course,

Malcolm Collins: every waspy secret society that you’ve ever heard of, they’ll try to get into and are of, but they don’t want everyone to know that about them.

Right. Like they don’t want that to be what the family, because most of the secret societies are really more like just social clubs for like personal validation and stuff. And I’ve, and I’ve gone to most of them, you know, I’m like a billionaire. Listen, the thing is, is after

Simone Collins: the Joe Rogan episode was, was aired that that listed us among other conspiracy theories.

A bunch of people wrote to, to us about their favorite pet conspiracy theories. And I’m like, that’s one’s not true. That one’s not true. That one’s not true. This ball isn’t running this. And they’re like, oh, you, you don’t know that. And I’m like, no, actually like. We we’re really into these, we wish they were true.

They’re super fun. We agree with you. Then we get behind the closed doors and we’re like, okay guys, so tell us how you’re doing it. And, and they’re like, I don’t know. I wish someone was doing it and I [00:52:00] don’t know what I’m doing. And we’re like, oh my God, who’s, who

Malcolm Collins: is driving the car? I’m literally quite confused as to how people think that if secret societies were operating that we wouldn’t be aware of them.

So like per, well, no, no, no. That the, the thing is you,

Simone Collins: we, we, we are aware of them and, and you’ve, you’ve, you have gone to the, even the ones that I, I can’t go to. And, and we’ve both been together a some and like they just aren’t what people say they are.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and, and the point I’d make here is people can be like, well, they have secret parts of them that you don’t know about.

Yeah. Like the,

Simone Collins: the backdoor room in this trooper club like Simone was

Malcolm Collins: literally the managing director of dialogue, which was Peter Teal Secret Society for a while. And then we do the heretic con, like we go to that, we speak at that, like clearly we’re a VIP member there. So like we go to the current one, right?

We put together the one for Schmidt Futures that they operated for a while. You know, we go to the ones that the Clintons went to where Bill Clinton literally gave a speech about me, right? [00:53:00] Like we. I think I can say this ‘cause I’ve searched in its public records. Like it’s not just that I’ve been to the Bohemian grove, but the last president of it was my godfather.

Like, I would know if there was shadier stuff going on there. Like this is like the, the degree of insight I have into what happens behind every closed door is near maximal. And if you ask why, it’s because my family’s always been obsessed with that. Like, we’re supposed to be one of the leaders of the Illuminati by the number one book on the Illuminati, the bloodline of the Illuminati.

I’m the oldest male, I should know at the very least, know that I’m beefing with them. What other, other, other

Simone Collins: Collins have reached out to us that like are, are from farther reaches of the family and like acknowledge it and, and know about it. The biggest controversy I can, I can confirm is that powerful people know and talk to each other about leadership, but like.

How could they not? I, I don’t know, like,

like well confirmed mark Zuckerberg and, and the president spoke once, like confirmed. [00:54:00] I mean,

Malcolm Collins: you got me. Well, and the other thing that people have to know about us and what we can communicate to you is I, I remember once I was talking with base campers and I was like, oh, we were just talking with a, a billionaire yesterday.

And they were like, no, that’s a, that’s fake that. Like, that’s not true. And I’m like, obviously I can’t talk about it. And then. You know, a few months later, or like a year later, it comes out in the New York Times that like we’re meeting with Elon, right? And I’m like, I couldn’t talk about that until somebody else who was at those meetings leaked that, right?

So there’s a bunch of connections and people where I can just be like, oh, we know X person or white person, or Z person that we can’t talk about because you stop getting invited to these things if you’re talking about it. Right? So I, I think that it is also important to note that whenever we like quote unquote name drop, you will notice we always name drop was a source that broke it because we [00:55:00] never name drop without it being broken by an external source or an external leak, because that’s very important that you do not do that.

Right. If you’re, if you’re operating in social,

Simone Collins: yeah, I guess it’s, it’s kind of like, a social contract based NDA, if you’ve ever signed an NDA agreement, you’re aware of the fact that you’re not sworn to secrecy. Like you can’t never talk about the thing. You just can’t, cannot talk about anything that is not public knowledge that any random Joe on a street couldn’t look up and find.

You, you can share anything about the company, you know, you’re signing with as long as the random person on the street can find it. And that’s our general rule, and this is a general tacit understanding. Yeah. Whether you’re going by Chatham House rules or not of all of these behind closed doors, societies, and just general polite society.

You shouldn’t, you shouldn’t talk at a school or what?

Malcolm Collins: Right. Exactly. But it, it, it really annoys me because fans of the show who are like, oh, aware of how much we’re covered by the media and stuff like that they, they’ll say things like, well, you have no idea what X [00:56:00] person is thinking. And when we’re like, we’re like we do know what they’re thinking.

I can’t say because I was texting him yesterday. Right. Like, and, and that that always rules Well it’s, it’s

Simone Collins: not our place to, to share stuff like that. Yeah. That, that’s their, their place to, to share if and when they ever wanna share these things.

Malcolm Collins: But I can’t say that there, there are interesting things that go on in like this, the weird thing about like the agentic, like wealthy people we know is like they’re the only people who do everything.

If people know us, they know we have like a hundred ideas and we wanna execute on all of them. And it’s like, and everyone else I know who’s like competent enough to execute on all of them is always some, somebody who you’ve already heard of, right? Like, it’s very rare that I meet somebody new through like our fan community or something like that.

Even people who like us who, who, who’s like this agentic and competent enough to like execute on a bunch of stuff, which is really sad. But it, it shows like in this world of AI how things are gonna get concentrated.

Simone Collins: There’s a decent, there’s a decent number of them. There are a lot of people who just don’t want to be incredibly rich and incredibly famous and [00:57:00] I totally understand why.

And so I I, and there are actually a lot of those people in our audience who are just like able to do everything and they just wanna stand the down low throughout their lives. And that’s, I I get it because also like a lot of the really wealthy and successful people we know like. With wealth. Like what if you become a billionaire, suddenly you’ve got billionaire problems and, and after a certain amount of money, the marginal returns diminish significantly.

Like there’s, you’re, you’re not gonna be happier. Your life is now a lot more complicated. You’re more of a target. I someone just, I think it was, I think it was not Elda Huxley, you often see the comments he gives. Great, great. He’s, he’s on, he’s active on x and often in Basecamp comments and, and sends us amazing fodder for the show.

He said something that like the number of crypto based, either kidnappings or muggings or some kind of like violent attack in the UK are now incredibly frequent. Like basically wealth brings with it and more, more [00:58:00] so than, more so now than ever before, I think. Incredible. And we did an episode

Malcolm Collins: announcing we’re selling all our crypto.

Remember that we don’t have crypto. If you wanna like rob us.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. And I guess until you hear us get really ex and we we’re like, well, maybe, ‘cause I like, now that we don’t have any crypto, I’m like, mm. Like, I don’t know.

Malcolm Collins: Well, if we purchased it again, we wouldn’t tell you. We, we

Simone Collins: wouldn’t. But,

Malcolm Collins: but the, the, the, I don’t know.

I’m

Simone Collins: still, yeah. Guys, tell us if there is actually any like quantum safe. I I just don’t, yeah. I don’t, I’m not convinced by anything we’ve read, but No. Yeah. What I’m saying though is like a lot, there are a lot of people who choose to not actually get that wealthy and not actually get that connected and not actually get that powerful ‘cause it’s not actually as great as people.

Well, it’s funny.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. There’s a lot of people we know who are incredibly wealthy and they do not seek power after they gain wealth. And that’s always really confused me. Like I’ve always seen the point of wealth and attention and fame is to control the narrative. Right. But I guess that’s why my family has a reputation of [00:59:00] running the alumni.

Simone Collins: Well there’s, there are a lot of different, different reasons. Like some people are just kind of going on an autistic. Maximization function of like, well my last goal was to like make another 10 million and I guess my next MO goal is gonna be to make another 100 million. And they just kind of keep going and it’s this pointless game for them.

Yeah. So, and for

other people, like their goals shift after they reach certain goals. We’ve seen some people go from, I want to amass a lot of wealth to, I want to amass a lot of influence. And like you see their shift subtly going from like really focusing on their business to trying to build a content empire, but then they just end up buying a lot of, they’re just like view botting constantly.

‘cause it’s really hard to build up that kind of reputation. And. I don’t know. People take different paths. I’m just saying that there are a lot of very age agent people in our audience who don’t, I don’t even what

Malcolm Collins: people, if you bought, you know, like, I had somebody who I was looking at, ‘cause they, their subset got popular all of a sudden outta nowhere.

I was like, how

Simone Collins: popular?

Malcolm Collins: It’s obviously Reveal Potty. And I I don’t, [01:00:00] I don’t like think that that’s bad. You do what you need to, to make things work. Like it, it’s a struggle until you figure out what makes things work. And you have to, does View

Simone Collins: Body actually help you get traction? You mean like people are doing it faster and

Malcolm Collins: depending on the platform and the algorithm at the time?

Oh, view does.

Simone Collins: So like you can’t get people to like even discover you and decide they like you if you don’t trick algorithms into people. Well, in some people it’s

Malcolm Collins: just like embarrassing if you don’t have enough reviews or likes or anything like that, you know? Yes. So it doesn’t

Simone Collins: seem to have stopped us.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I mean, obviously our audience is, is, is real. That’s how we get in like Sky Hooks videos and why people are talking about us and why we have the top subreddit, you know, on literally the top conservative subreddit right now. But until

Simone Collins: the viral Telemundo, I, I

Malcolm Collins: think it’s just gonna keep staying up until we only had

Simone Collins: 10,000 followers on X.

Now it’s something like 17,000 just because of that. But Joe Rogan, I love it. People, yeah, I think people also don’t realize [01:01:00] what a realistic number of followers is if you aren’t actively buying views and followers. Yeah. That’s another

Malcolm Collins: thing I think that people miss. The final thing I wanted to end with is I am really excited for a multipolar Usis Israel world.

I think it’s gonna be a much better world than we have today. You mean

Simone Collins: where it’s just us and Israel? Why I, so I, I think that you and I, I I, I agree with you that China is demographically screwed. I think you may be discounting their investment in tech and ai. So you don’t think China’s a contender at all?

I, I tech and ai, how much money do you wanna put on it? And, and what kind of a,

Malcolm Collins: I’ve already made bets with other people on this, but like, China could come back. This is the biggest disagreement I have with Elon, by the way. Like, you could be right that China ends up being like an AI authoritarian state, which would work pretty well actually.

I could off, they

Simone Collins: could pull off the look, make it look good.

Malcolm Collins: Now you’re getting me excited, right? Because now I wanna make like a generals game. And it’s got four core factions that are like hugely different from each other. You’ve got the US faction, which is like, you know. [01:02:00] Overwhelming force in technology.

You’ve got the Israeli faction, which is like based around like really intense, like Spycraft related stuff. You’ve got the China faction, which is basically controlled by AI and likely a a, a sort of spamming faction mass producing lots of ai, dumb stuff. And then the final faction will just be like the GLA from generals, basically like a terrorist faction.

I always really loved the GLA faction in generals. Is generals

Simone Collins: a term base game or something?

Malcolm Collins: Know it’s an old like StarCraft type game. It was made at the, in the series that like Red Alert came from and it was the USA terrorists in China were the three core factions and they all acted like really unique mechanics and it’s been moed up like pretty intense.

Like I think even just, you could mod that game and I, I’ll, I’ll put one of the our fab autonomous agents on this as soon as I get them like really good at coding to just. Code for us and code up a maybe a mod to that to add like a Israeli faction and then reset the world to be like a [01:03:00] post demographic collapse apocalypse, post ai proliferation apocalypse where like Europe has collapsed, south America has collapsed, and there’s only a few power centers left on earth.

I think that’d be a lot of fun to play. I I, I don’t wanna play that.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Now, you know, you can kind of set these up because we live in an age of AI and vibe coding. You haven’t even tried modern games yet.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I wanna have the AI agents do it because I’ve been so focused on our fab.ai stability, which I’ve basically finally finished at this point.

It, I think it’s, it’s near perfectly stable. Mm-hmm. I mean, you were playing it with Octavian all day, was the audio feature where you just talk and it. Yeah, was translating and

Simone Collins: Yeah, and on, on his clunky old Chromebooks. I’m trying to do it on different devices, so. Oh,

Malcolm Collins: that’s great. Yeah. Oh. So that’s what I’m quite excited about.

Anyway. Oh, I am too.

Simone Collins: Am I doing ravioli? And

Malcolm Collins: I thought you were gonna try Marin, so like, yeah

Simone Collins: or no? Did. Oh, just pasta, pasta. Planning million pasta. I was planning on making elbow pasta for the kids. So [01:04:00] can I just, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: just make pasta, pasta if you’re already making it for the kids. Okay. Let’s try just the pasta.

Pasta, meat sauce. Pasta. Pasta. And if you have any green CTA greens in there.

Simone Collins: I used up all the greens.

Malcolm Collins: Do not do a double serving of meat at the time. Do a single serving of meat because serving, we’re gonna, okay.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I’m gonna saute the meat in garlic though, if that’s all right. It’s a

Malcolm Collins: good idea.

Simone Collins: Or will it kill you? ‘cause you’re a vampire.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, I am a vampire. I’m glad that, but, so I am a woman

Simone Collins: and a Walt, so I will give you garlic.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. All right. Good, good game. Love you. Now that you’ve taken my sexy vampire powers. Yes. This is, this is how I keep

Simone Collins: you in check.

Malcolm Collins: I am so angry that the, that the, that the rumor that I am a vampire didn’t go live while I was in college.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I wouldn’t, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Cleaned up with that rumor.

Simone Collins: Oh. And in St. Andrew’s, like, the aesthetics are just right for it. [01:05:00]

Malcolm Collins: Oh, I would’ve started dressing like a vampire. Oh

Simone Collins: no. Yeah. Nevermind. You would’ve been insufferable in the really

Malcolm Collins: posh way, you know, the, you know, because I was gothy back then as well, that style.

Of

Simone Collins: course. Yes. Right. Yeah. Come on,

Malcolm Collins: come on. The cache.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Women would be like, I slept with that guy who said he was a vampire.

Simone Collins: Someone sent to us,

Malcolm Collins: Joe, this,

Simone Collins: this Wikipedia entry on God some historical figure that lived at the time of like, Rousseau who told everyone that he was like hundreds of years old and he was this amazing philosopher

Malcolm Collins: and Oh, yes, yes, I’ve heard of this.

You’ve heard

Simone Collins: of him? Yeah. I hadn’t heard of him before and was like, it was like a

Malcolm Collins: mystery as to who he really was or something. Yes.

Simone Collins: Like this is just like a really smart guy who’s just trolling, but they didn’t know the term troll. But like, I, I love that people just. Kind of assumed, I guess maybe he is a vampire.

Maybe he is a vampire. Nobody knows. Why would you fake that? I mean, yeah. Why, why would you, why would [01:06:00] you go onto the salons of Europe and lie, just lie in the salons? Who could do that?

Malcolm Collins: No. Here’s, here’s the greater thing, and I love that you could just lie back then and like a part of like, well, society would be like, well, maybe, I mean, you never know.

Welcome to the internet.

Simone Collins: Every,

Malcolm Collins: oh, we, well, I mean there’s the yoga person who convinced everyone that she was like a god. Like, I mean, this happens on, yeah, no, this is

Simone Collins: extreme. This is ev, this is human behavior.

Malcolm Collins: But I I, I, I think what, what we need to get out there is the real prenatal is conspiracy, is that we’re trying to replace everyone with vampires.

Simone Collins: The greatest replacement theory. The

Malcolm Collins: greatest replacement, yes. The greatest replacement theory is that we, they, we we’re trying to replace all the normies with vampires. The vampires. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Works for me. Works for me. Yeah. Yeah. Better, better than a eyeline man, dead society. Yeah. That’s perfect. [01:07:00] Yeah. Yeah. It, it is Analist, you know, in the end.

Malcolm Collins: I love you. Love you too.

Bye.

Simone Collins: Through a whole conversation in that recording. I’m really, really glad that we’re doing this. ‘cause I just looked up my history on GR and yeah, the, my first search yesterday morning was about this like what you, you saw it? Yeah. Because I

Malcolm Collins: wasn’t sure you had seen it. And the moment you seen it, you’re like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

I’m like,

Simone Collins: wait a second, wait a second. Let’s do this.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Speaker: Attack this part of the solar system, this planet. Okay. This country right here. Okay. That’s China. Yeah. It’s not the solar system, it’s our planet. That’s a globe, right? Yeah. China. So we’re gonna try to defeat China and then take them over and then turn it, and then turn it into America, and then. Kill and [01:08:00] then hopefully kill.

The people want to kill us and we get to

finds a word.

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