Saturday could see the largest mass demonstration in modern American history. The "No Kings" rallies across the country will see millions turn out to voice their discontent with Donald Trump and his administration's increasingly authoritarian actions. Robert De Niro is among those urging people to take to the streets, But senior MAGA figures are trying to discredit the whole thing before it's even started. They are describing it as a "Hate America" rally - demonstrators labelled "pro-Hamas", "Antifa", and "rabid". Will Donald Trump's base really buy that? Or should the White House be concerned about the swell of civil discontent? We speak to Bill McKibben, behind the group Third Path which is helping to organise the rallies.

Later, Joe Rogan has condemned the way ICE is snatching an ever increasing number of people from the streets. Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken to CNN to criticise the lack of leadership on healthcare coming from her own party. When influential voices on the Right like those two are coming out rebuking the actions of the Trump administration, is that more likely to make him sit up and take notice?

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Episode 492: Hagar and the God Who Sees | Marc Wallis | July 13th, 2025

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