In recent decades therehas been much more concern about the of default whiteness and default maleness of the institutions of creative writing. It still seems like it's largely ensnared in what we'd now call neo liberal individualism. And maybe creative writing programs won't ever be anything other than that. But i do think more kind of conventional liberal or even hippyism that emerges kind of plays well into that ut. Without hippy bashing, cause we do that on the show too.

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