The Origin of Orks

i think the issue was, she lob with mithrol, like, she actually didn't pierce the mithrill. She couldn't pierce it. Shehad like, knocked him out on his head, basically. So that's my, that's my theory number one on the identity of odar. Now, i have a second theory, which is a later in the first age, there's another round of these kidnapping of elves,. And morgoth is hanging around all the capte thea cities of balaria. He used some of these for his evil purposes, and, feigning to give them liberty, sent them abroad. But their wills were chained to his

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