In the fall of 20, Ben collapsed at work from exhaustion. His physical health suffered during these years ecause he was working in one of the hardest pe h t programs that you could on an accelerated time table due to his military requirements. He also struggled with grappling with really hard leadership decisions amidst thing's going wrong. "i've learned to be a lot wiser about stewarting my energy"
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Author and Air Force officer Mark Jacobsen joins Joe to discuss failure. Specifically, what it looks like, feels like, and how we can grow from it. Additionally, Mark talks with Joe about innovation and entrepreneurship, grappling with identity in the military, and his new book, Eating Glass: The Inner Journey Through Failure and Renewal.