I'm a clicheous counselor in the music and football are the only two things I'm really, really interested in. I was a better musician than I was a footballer. So I got into music and a couple of mates at school, we formed a band called Apollo 440. And we've got scientists, CBS only records and top 10 hits and. Top of the pops and all those things but played a big one. John Michel Jard and Jeff Beck and frankly go to Hollywood and all sorts of people as well. Got kind of bored with that, got into football, basically because my son started playing football. He's been doing this is what I've been doing ever since.