I think we agree on a lot of things, but maybe we disagree on the meta ethical question of whether moral rules are objectively real or not. And that's where I think you and Sam Harris might disagree here. So when I say real, I mean real in the sense that smoking is bad for your health is a fact. It's a real fact about human beings. But outside of these goals that we all share, there's no way of talking about one state as better or worse than another one.

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