Enselm

"I just, I really think that Elizabeth Johnson is speaking more to a kind of radical and I would even say Protestant interpretation of Enselm rather than Enselm himself," he says. "He's not making that up. He gets that from the tradition ... You could see that even in Enselm." Ryan: "Just like John Paul II and debase him, he's here to Cardius because I mean, Christ is mercy incarnate, really".