Lisa Clunie, co-founder and CEO of JOAN joins co-hosts Olivia Morley and Brian Wieser to talk about what it takes to build and lead a modern independent agency.

From JOAN's origins in New York to its expansion into Berlin and London, Lisa shares how the company has evolved into a multi-faceted creative firm—with an advertising agency, production studio, and influencer arm—all while staying founder-owned and values-driven.

Lisa discusses the financial logic behind JOAN's production studio, how influencer marketing is diversifying beyond the “tonnage” model, and why integration across functions like creative, media, influencer, and social allows the agency to move with both agility and intention. She also explains how JOAN navigates resource allocation without external investors and how its growth decisions are often shaped by client needs and opportunity—not just ambition.

Plus, Olivia, Brian, and Lisa explore how holding companies are grappling with geopolitical and cultural tensions, what recent earnings reports from S4 Capital and M&C Saatchi suggest about agency performance, and why some agencies might regret playing it safe when it comes to their values.

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