Speaker 2
E, the thing i'm taking away is that this, ah, this drive to seek state, is something that could be inherently with us, within us as animals. A what happens when we make it conscious? What happens when we destigmatize it? What happens when we take it out of the pathologized version, and we start to say, how can this be helpful? How can this be useful? How can this heel? How can this help us have a peakue performance and solve, solve the problems. We're up against some big problems to day. We need a new way of thinking. So it sounds like that's whath the work, that's the work that you guys are doing, is like, let's keep it from sliding into hedonism, commercialization or militarization, and let's use this so that we can actually not become, you know, slaves to ourselves, but to actually be able to expeditially grow. Is that fit?
Speaker 1
Yesbut i think that's beautiful. Hye saidad, the only, a, the only kind of mild modification i would say to that is, let's be realistic. People are always going to overshoot and hedonistically indulge. I just, it just seems to be the deal. A, and, and there will always be organizations looking to bendis technologyaad, you know, if ou woud think of it as a psycho technology, literally, these are the tools to shift state. And while it used to involve knobs and levers and bran brain implants and that kind of thing, its getting increasingly virtual. And at some point is just, you know, hey, with a little by of food back and a little practice, right? Just with my own breathing patterns, with a few visualization like righte, we can accomplish what used to take yogis and monks, you know, decades to master. That stuff can just be democratizd solicitus assume that hedonism, commercialization and militarization are ar arnorms. They're probably not going to disappear any time soon. But if if we can add a fourth way, and that's really the whole premise of the book, which is, if we can democratize this, an open source of it, because we really do now have the keys to the kingdom. We have the keys to unlocking multiple men and profound states of consciousness. That key to the kingdom is also the key to our cage. If we can undo where we can unlock ourselves from the prison house of 20 first century normal from these, from the mundane d d sacriliced lies we've all found ourselves living. And if we can propagate this, if the tools are out there, and if its truly open source, meaning no matter how any places it gets shut down or coupted, there's always a place to rekindle that flame, and there's always an opportunity to share and distribute it among people who are ready and wanting that access. Riht, right.