The refinery is actually almost the opposite characteristics of the upstream company, where there's a huge upfront fixed cost to build a new refinery. And as a result, I think the standard line is in the United States, we've built new refineries since 1976. But they're in the business of taking that crude oil, cracking it, which is a reasonably literal term. There's a lot of heat and a lot of pressure to break down that crude barrel.

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