Eull doesn't envision wilson unseating madison in the history books. The beautiful thing about discovering new history is, once you know it, you can't unknow it. There's conversation for pleasure, whether that's the pleasure of intellect or the pleasure of connection. And then there are conversations we have for an audience. I do this. My whole job is to talk to people and when i talk to them, it's not just for me, it's also for you,. It's a lot like a conversation without an audience. But the stakes are different, because if i don't connect, you'll feel it.