I think that people are fed up with wasting so much time stuck in traffic. The focus on large SUVs and trucks that have batteries in them now as the means that we address that problem doesn't get to the root of it, right? And I don't think it will have the scale of benefit that we kind of assume just because we're going to electrify everything. Do you see, by the way, yeah, sorry, I was going to add one more little flavor to your question.
Paris Marx is the host of the popular tech-critical podcast Tech Won't Save Us, and the author of a new book called Road to Nowhere: What Silicon Valley Gets Wrong about the Future of Transportation. On this week's episode, Paris joins Kirsten and Ed for a wide-ranging look at his left-of-center critiques of the mobility technology sector and his arguments for a less "solutionist" approach to our mobility challenges.