
#324 Henrik Zeberg: Blow Off Top Underway - Real Economy Already Sinking
The Julia La Roche Show
Intro
Julia introduces Henrik Zeberg, episode themes, and his role at SwissBlock and his book, The Monetary House of Cards.
Henrik Zeberg, head macro economist at SwissBlock and author of The Monetary House of Cards, warns that despite stock markets hitting all-time highs, the real economy is sinking fast - private job creation has fallen below recessionary levels seen in 2007, and 90% of US consumers are now worse off than going into both the 2008 financial crisis and the 1929 depression. Using his Titanic metaphor, he explains first class passengers (top 10%) are still at the bar while third class is already in the water. Zeberg predicts a blow-off top with the S&P potentially hitting 8,200 before a crash worse than 2008, driven by central bank hubris that will trigger stagflation when the Fed inevitably intervenes. He's long-term bullish on gold and silver but warns of a short-term pullback as the dollar spikes to 120+ on the DXY during the deflationary bust, and explains why there's no easy way out this time - we've exhausted the free lunch of money printing.
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Links:
X: https://x.com/HenrikZeberg
Substack: https://henrikzeberg.substack.com/
Book: https://buy.stripe.com/aFacN62DQdYFbZt9APaR201
TEDx: https://youtu.be/DAmoawIOMbs?si=Infb0cLi8YPxdX4H
00:00 Intro and welcome Henrik Zeberg
01:22 Macro view, the real economy is about job creation, not financial markets
04:13 90% of consumers worse off than going into 2008 and 1929
05:58 Titanic metaphor: First class denying while third class already in water
06:56 Chart: ADP private job creation declining to recessionary levels
08:26 Illusion of stability: Stock market disconnect from economy
09:07 Stock market doesn't predict recessions - look at unemployment
11:15 Zeberg business cycle model pointing to recession
14:55 Bond market sniffing out problems - yield curve signals
20:02 Central banks and the Fed: The hubris problem
23:02 2020 changed everything - inflation is back as a factor
25:26 Gold and silver starting to show end game signs
26:20 If Fed intervenes with more stimulus, it creates stagflation
28:03 Henrik's views on gold and silver clarified
30:55 Dollar regime coming - DXY could spike
32:12 Long-term bullish gold/silver but short-term pullback expected
35:35 Navigating different regimes as an investor
38:19 Strong dollar implications
39:06 Current regime still risk-on, riding the blow off top
43:29 Why this recession will be worse than 2008
48:21 No easy way out - we're at the end of the Keynesian curve
49:12 Can we get back to sound money? Only through pain
51:41 Under the radar trend: Realization of how bad consumer really is
53:55 AI won't save us short-term - actually reduces jobs needed
54:25 Wrap up: Think for yourself, do your own research


