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Julie Solomon on How to Get What You Want

The Cathy Heller Podcast with Cathy Heller

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The Most Toxic Thing in the World Is Shame

"Shame is so toxic you can't be with it. You can't witness it," she says. "There's a place for grief, and there's a way for us to honor pain." She shares her own journey of self-discovery in the new book 'Shells'

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