
Ep4: We Are Nature with James Ogude
Flourish Systems Change
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Introduction
Fossil is a podcast that looks at design for systems change. In this episode, i and michael pallin talk about the idea of simbio genesis. We discuss how cities are shaped by our view of ourselves as isolated individuals. They argue that we have an immense capacity for altruism and co operation.
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