Is It an Ojades Political Shift?

"I don't see it as like an opportunistic shift on his part. I think it's a product of several things as a product of observing the world anda and politically maturing," he says. "The catholic conversion is a factor in this, that ah, like myself, an ojades a ic,. And when you encounter the sort of catholic social teaching, you suddenly acquire this this language of catholics social thought."