The most energy efficient invention to my knowledge of mankind is the bicycle because it combines technology and materials with human effort. And so that's we use the remaining fossil and mineral seed corn in combination with technology to find and fix the problem that we face. So I don't see it really as a matter of solving problems or mastering nature of defining what nature should be according to our notions dictating what it should be. That's all kind of a heuristic way that's not working at some level.

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