To come to that level of Swami, you need spirituality. There are just two ways of going beyond karma. One is to get hold of something which is beyond karma itself. God is beyond causality. Causality is basically the power of God. So, catch hold of God by the grace of God, you go beyond karma. Or you realize yourself to be beyond karma. That is the Self-realization way. I am Atman. I am Raman. Suddenly you see, it's all right. I'm perfectly all right. And if I do not either, you know, get Self-real realization or God-realization, I will suffer. But these