Kara: I think the point of exhaustion is so salient when you think about mental health crisis and young people and anxiety. So kind of thinking about this exhaustion if you have your idea of purpose rooted in helping others, but then you're so exhausted that you don't even know if you can make it to the finish line of helping the person how you want. Maybe maybe your switch in your mind is like, well, at the end of the day, it's not really about whether or not the person is ultimately helped. But if I have this idea of a script in my mind, where I am a good person, because I spend 15 hours a week volunteering, the script is just

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