Our second discussion of DERVOS 2025 was a panel on a revolutionary new class of distributed energy systems that require little to no permission to install.

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We’ve been talking about permissionless DERs on the pod for a long time, so it seemed only right to bring together some of the folks on the forefront of this class of technology to talk about who wants it, how to get it to them, and what it means for the grid.

While this may be new fangled technology here, Germans have been plugging in solar panels into wall sockets for the past few years. So many Germans, in fact, that there’s more than 4 million households who have one of these units.

Oddly, the permissionless revolution started in earnest in the U.S. in Utah, which was the first state to codify the rules for these DERs. But that’s just the beginning. Check out the discussion on which states are next, what utilities and standards organizations think about it, and why you should think of plug-in solar and storage as just another appliance in your home, and how these systems are relevant to commercial and indstrial energy users as well.

Speakers:

* Cole Ashman, Founder & CEO, Pila Energy

* Bala Ramamurthy, Co-Founder and CEO, Critical Loop

* Stephan Scherer, co-founder, Craftstrom Solar

* Kevin Chou, Co-founder & Executive Director, Brightsaver

* Moderator, Duncan Campbell, VP, Data Center Solutions, Scale Microgrids

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