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175 - Nurturing Our Relationships (with Yael Schonbrun)

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The Paradox of Clean Countertops in Relationships

Caitlin's value on a clean apartment was so much higher than mine. She would see a mess where I wouldn't like actually like what she would look at a counter and be like, that's messy. Instead of having a professional cleaner come once a month, we had them come once a week. "There's just so much more nuance to these things," he says.

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