The computer has, from the beginning, been a fundamentally conservative force. And we have to look at it as infer structure. It's not simply consumer products. We've often seen how disruptive computers can be in a negative way. But he completely disagreed with this idea that there was a computer revolution because it wasn't transforming industries or changing most of the people who were going into them. If anything, they just consolidated power in the hands of those already wealthy and powerful. I couldn't agree more.