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If we're at three degrees of warming in 21 hundred that meen ins that all subsaher in africa will have no economic growth at all. We know enough about the scale and scope of these impacts to know that they will be, in the very best case, complicating our trajectories of economic growth. And now, the good fight with yasha monk. To day, i want to tell you about mhe argument in chapter two of my new book, of the great experiment, whi theters democracies pall apart, and how they can endure. Please order the book and read along.

David Wallace-Wells is one of the foremost journalists covering climate change. A writer at The New York Times and a columnist at The New York Times Magazine, Wallace-Wells is the author of the best-selling book The Uninhabitable Earth: Life After Warming. His New York Magazine article of the same name was the most read in the magazine’s history.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and David Wallace-Wells discuss why the worst scenarios for the future of climate outcomes have become less likely over the course of the last years; how much damage climate change is nevertheless likely to wreak; and what political, economic, and technological solutions might help humanity deal with this urgent challenge.

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