What Are the Other Layers?

Mill: I'm gon to have you break it down a little bit more for us, cause you mentioned a couple of big ideas there. You've mentioned this idea of mapping systems start with the people impacted and the stake holders. And then let's, let's talk about this idea of layers that you started to mention, like policy as one layer. What are the other layers that you think about in the systems? Mill: Yes, policy is the biggest one. Market base solutions can be both for profit and non for profit. Anarrative is our proxy for culture. The stories we tell ourselves and the stories we tell others set the tone and the norms for how we operate.