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The 2022 Holberg Debate on Ukraine, Russia, China and the West.

Holberg Prize Talks

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Do You Think NATO Is a Good Thing?

If China were to form a military alliance with Canada and Mexico, we would go ballistic. I think you're giving the Russians all sorts of incentives to cause you trouble. And then it's in your interest, but not in our interest, for you to trade with the Chinese and become richer and richer.

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