i'm almost thinking about this now more like the emergence of the personal computer. There's a presence thing that is typically really underestimated in terms of creating new ideas, or building, building things,. Just spending time with people together. And i think you might have in the context of exactly this type of i wonder how you found it. Well, i think we get basely on the podcast now, cause you did a very good job of articulating my position. This might be an interesting opportunity to revisit via.