Chavis, Maduro, and Ven Aolla

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Maduro has absolutely no need to look democratic. He, of course, tries to play the game and use the democratic rhetoric. Madura is not carismatic. Maduro was anointed by chaves, and madurais widely seen as an agent and a crook. The criminalization of the state in all these countries is a subject which we talk about because it's different from corruption or clectocracy. But madura is an example of this kind of crookery and thievery that it now accompanies this kind of presidence.

Moisés Naím is a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. He has served as Minister of Trade and Industry for Venezuela, Executive Director of the World Bank, and editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. His latest book is The Revenge of Power.

In this week’s conversation, Moisés Naím and Yascha Mounk discuss how authoritarian powers have banded together to respond to the challenges of technology and decentralization, the proliferation of the “Three P’s” (polarization, populism, and post-truth), and the challenges facing democracies in the 21st century.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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