Mr. Hinton says he doesn't want anything to do with it. He wants to be able to speak freely about his worries about AI because the technique that he pioneered has got very big or deep, as we call them. And just in the past few years, it's got much, much better. We've seen chat GPT is the classic example that break out iPhone moment for AI. But if he says that while he works at Google, he just looks like he's defending Google.