"I moved to Austin because I wanted to leave a scene also," says co-founder of tech startup COVID. "If somebody listens to the podcast and they say hi, honestly, there are days when I need it." He talks about how socialites use ayahuasca to do their own version of 'cuckoo' status quo. And then as soon as something is popular enough that people are doing it too, he asks himself: What's wrong with me?

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