I just feel like Trump's already forming his transition team and making choices, but he hasn't been elected by the electors yet. I think that have we ever seen the Department of Justice literally intervene in the election and cast such incredible negative shade on one of the candidates? So I'm still very wrapped up in undoing the myth of incredible outsider candidate one. You know, like Stalin says, it's not who wins. It's who counts.
Debbie talks to poet Eileen Myles about poetry, fame, and politics.