The value in therapy was just like getting another point of view, right? Because you get so myopic and at least me just up in my head, intellectualizing my problems and trying to fix them. So if you have an objective, really skillful therapist who has a good toolkit and a good system, internal family systems is one of those really incredible systems. And then you pair that with a medicine like MDMA that gives us a better witness can help us see not just the real intense part of that kind of core wound event, but can help ussee the whole context,. which is what we were talking about before.

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