The Power of Defiance

"There's a piece of it where for me it was like, oh, I was drawn to the power," she said. "I want to work with people who want to talk about magic in a way of conjuring better futures and I want to talkAbout side to scientists who want to conjure better futures." She added: "It has to be more than just 'Utopian' or 'utopian' ... It has to be something that doesn't feel right".

Transcript

Play full episode

Remember Everything You Learn from Podcasts

Save insights instantly, chat with episodes, and build lasting knowledge - all powered by AI.