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The Power of Defiance
"There's a piece of it where for me it was like, oh, I was drawn to the power," she said. "I want to work with people who want to talk about magic in a way of conjuring better futures and I want to talkAbout side to scientists who want to conjure better futures." She added: "It has to be more than just 'Utopian' or 'utopian' ... It has to be something that doesn't feel right".