Facing Pain Versus Finding Refuges

It’s tempting to be a very serious person in a very serious world. But what if staying soft was the most loving thing we could do? In this vulnerable and playful conversation, Kate sits down with Sophie Grégoire Trudeau—mental health advocate, speaker, and writer—to talk about childhood wiring, the masks we wear, and how we begin the lifelong work of coming home to ourselves. If you’re navigating heartbreak, trying to live in your body again, or just craving a little lightness without losing depth—this one's for you.

SHOW NOTES:

• Gabor Maté – on trauma, addiction, and the pain beneath our coping mechanisms

• “Innocence is one’s ability to be found by the world.” – A reflection on David Whyte’s invitation to stay open
• Maslow, Indigenous wisdom, and the reminder that community is what makes us feel safe

• Support Guides: When Your Child is in Pain, When You've Been Hurt as a Child, Those Who Give and Need Support

• Come hang out in our new favorite corner of the internet: Kate's Substack.

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