I need somebody, this was 10 years ago, who can work for about 50 grand, who can actually run a company. And we looked for three or four months and couldn't find anybody. I think what I saw is he just had a, he had a very charismatic, trusting sort of presence. You could tell at once that he was very positive, loved people and he was very ethical. These days I would have a lot more criteria than that. But we, you know, 50 grand, you can't be picky about who you're hiring. He took my quarter million dollar writer and speaker business to the next level.

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