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Helping Joe, Episode 24

The Mating Grounds Podcast

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The Royal Flush of a Family Life

"I've spent the last God now six, seven years figuring out what hands are possible for me in my life with my nuclear family," he says. "There are certain things that aren't possible just based on who I am and sort of how I live my life." He adds: "It's my responsibility to play those hands... Any hand can be a winning hand"

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