Ito, this is almost two decades later now we're having this conversation, and is still in my mind. So it stayed with me. But i think now it's sort of like finding it's day in the sun. It wasn't back then when you said, this is what i wante to do. You pretty soon made this interesting decision to move into the uax or usor experience side of things. Which i i wonder back then, what was the drive behind that? Because it seemed like all the kids who wanted to do the sexy stuff were doing the non uc stuff. They wanted to be on the flash side and the visual and d like graphic side of things

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