Optimism and the Wisdom of the Crowd

"It's such a joy to see the, the kind of the wisdom of the crowd," she says. "I think about this every time you ask and what I'm outraged about ... There's simply not enough time to continue to feel disappointed." She adds: "There are beacons of hope... If we can take those beacons and amplify them, I think that it's infectious" The full interview is on BBC Radio 4 tonight at 9pm GMT.

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